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  • KurtP3
    Junior Member
    • Jan 2020
    • 8

    Thermal air collection below roof deck

    My 39 degree latitude mid-coastal roof has an unobstructed south exposure. The attic is uninsulated except for directly above the living space, however there is an A/C and heater unit up there (due to a FUBAR of someone's poor planning I had to inherit). I was thinking of insulating that space and thought of capturing the solar heat below the dark roof deck between the rafters when I put up a radiant barrier with 1" spacing. Piping and baffles would collect that in the winter for heating spaces below and reject it through the roof vent in the summer.

    I would like others' opinions on what might be off with this idea. There is no thread discussing this for the past ~20 years. Free heat is my thought, just need to filter and dehumidify it.
  • SunEagle
    Super Moderator
    • Oct 2012
    • 15126

    #2
    Originally posted by KurtP3
    My 39 degree latitude mid-coastal roof has an unobstructed south exposure. The attic is uninsulated except for directly above the living space, however there is an A/C and heater unit up there (due to a FUBAR of someone's poor planning I had to inherit). I was thinking of insulating that space and thought of capturing the solar heat below the dark roof deck between the rafters when I put up a radiant barrier with 1" spacing. Piping and baffles would collect that in the winter for heating spaces below and reject it through the roof vent in the summer.

    I would like others' opinions on what might be off with this idea. There is no thread discussing this for the past ~20 years. Free heat is my thought, just need to filter and dehumidify it.
    It really depends on what it is going to cost you to include the new heating equipment and their maintenance compared to purchasing the kWh to run an efficient heater connected to the grid.

    Some people have been able to save with a DIY type heating system but others save going the conventional way. Do the math.

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    • J.P.M.
      Solar Fanatic
      • Aug 2013
      • 14939

      #3
      A bit more detail of how you want to accomplish what you want to do please.

      Do you intend to use the heated air to then heat water and then circulate the heated water to the rest of the dwelling ?
      Or, duct the heated air to the conditioned space directly (or through existing ducting) ?

      Either way, and not to be a naysayer by nature, schemes of this nature, while they sound like no brainers, are usually more trouble that they are worth and less than economical.

      I know, been there done that (or attempted similar) and lots of other stuff for several years (including starting a homemade solar thermal collector on fire) before returning to school and getting a BSME and then working in the process industries early on chasing BTU's for a living while staying involved with alternate energy as more than a hobby but less than an job and learning that such schemes, including those similar to what you describe, while they can be a lot of fun, are most of the time neither cost effective or workable and often dangerous or at least have unintended consequences which are usually not good or at least counterproductive to the desired results.

      One consideration as an example of many (if I read your post correctly): Expecting to heat water in pipes (or more correctly tubing) by exposing them to heated air is very inefficient (regardless of what you and a lot of well-intentioned but very uninformed people may think). Reason: The film heat transfer coefficients between the air and the tubing is very poor. The attic will get hot. The water won't. Lots of other examples/reasons on request.

      What you describe can be a fun learning experience but without the technical background, getting something like that to work, understand how and then why it's inefficient, wasteful, usually a PITA and possibly unsafe is kind of like trying to get into an elevator that's already gone up 5 feet while wearing roller skates.

      I'd respectfully suggest experimenting by starting with a small project that's easy to disassemble and move around. If your serious about doing something right and want to learn, start by crawling before you walk and walking before you run.

      Take what you want of the above. Scrap the rest.

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      • azdave
        Moderator
        • Oct 2014
        • 765

        #4
        Originally posted by KurtP3
        however there is an A/C and heater unit up there...
        Doesn't sound that unusual to me. That's that way many homes are here with an all-in-one gas pack heating and cooling unit inside an uninsulated attic.


        Originally posted by KurtP3
        I was thinking of insulating that space and thought of capturing the solar heat below the dark roof deck...
        I can guarantee you that literally thousands of other experimenters have had the same idea and if it has not become mainstream by now then there must be logical reasons why it has not been adopted by any number of energy-minded enterprises that love to sell this kind of green system. My guess would be that is does not come with enough gains for all of the cost and trouble but I'll agree with JMP, projects like this can be interesting and rewarding in many ways including expanding your skills and brain power.
        Dave W. Gilbert AZ
        6.63kW grid-tie owner

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